Saturday, August 23, 2008

Similarities and Differences between QuickPwn and ZiPhone

Similarities

Jailbreak

Both utilities jailbreak.

Payload medium

Primary jailbreak payload is placed into iPhone memory for both jailbreaks


Differences

Technique

ZiPhone uses, as the root filesystem device, a pseudo-device that provides a window to an arbitrary section of memory. This memory is not allocated or otherwise reserved by the operating system and hence will be used by other random processes in other random ways and will become more and more corrupted with every CPU clock cycle. The only safe way to use this is to mlock all memory used by the jailbreak binary as soon as possible, and then use data previously uploaded to flash. Anything else will cause either the jailbreak binary to crash at random moments or cause random data to be written to flash. I am not sure why Zibri elected not to implement ZiPhone in a safer fashion.

QuickPwn uses the same mechanism that Apple uses to send its update ramdisk. This memory is both allocated and reserved. It will not crash at random moments, or give you repeating BSD root errors. This is the way the XNU kernel is designed to use ramdisks.

Longevity

ZiPhone hinges on a BUG in iBoot that was quickly fixed by Apple.

QuickPwn uses an iBoot FEATURE that Apple cannot remove without rewriting their own software and undergoing lengthy QA. Even if Apple did change the architecture, it would be straight-forward to simply mimic what they do and adapt to it. The reason QuickPwn can do this is because it relies on a hardware exploit to bootstrap into this phase. Apple cannot fix this problem without changing the manufactured hardware.

Elegance

ZiPhone modifies an existing Apple ramdisk and ships it as a complete set.

QuickPwn contains all-original code and features a very tiny bootstrapper that allows it to use libraries and code that's already on the iPhone.

Not only does ZiPhone's distribution of Apple's binaries violate copyright laws, it also takes up a large portion of room on the ramdisk that could be used for the payload. Keeping its existing algorithm, ZiPhone would never have been able to install Cydia, for example. The maximum feasible ramdisk size is 32 MB; Cydia takes 13 and Apple's library take up a significant amount. With some work, Zibri could possibly make it just under the 32 MB limit, but with the large number of files in Cydia, and the large size of the corruptible area of memory, corruption would be inevitable.

Some history / A personal note

Zibri claims to have "invented the ramdisk jailbreak". Even if this were true, it would have as much relevance to QuickPwn as the 1.0.2 jailbreak does: The techniques used are entirely dissimilar. Not a single step in the process is the same.

However, this is not even true. Before Zibri left, we already had a prototype ramdisk jailbreak in our SVN (which Zibri later leaked parts of). It was written by myself and stored under the very obvious name of "ramdisk-jb" and it contained a modified version of a launchd written by Turbo (who should be considered the father of the ramdisk payload). It basically untarred a SSH installation onto the rootfs. It was rudimentary, and required a lot of work to get up to production standards.

While it's obvious that Zibri has picked every bone of that SVN repository clean, I am puzzled why he did not learn from that example source code. It had mlock and it was written in proper C, unlike the rather make-do replacement of launchd with sh. Perhaps he did not understand the code.

A week before his release, we became aware that Zibri was going to write a ramdisk exploit. We considered racing him to it, but we were constrained by the fact that we had already publicized one working method of jailbreaking: The oft-loathed 1.1.3 soft-jailbreak, which we considered perfectly acceptable until the release of the SDK (we were not aware at the time the SDK release would take so long). In addition, 1.1.3 was a minor update and there was no reason people could not stay on 1.1.2 for awhile longer. The issue is that while a ramdisk jailbreak would certainly be easier and better, we would be burning this great exploit that allowed us to reliably decrypt ramdisks (which we had no other way of doing at the time).

Therefore, we chose not to build our own implementation and instead pursue Pwnage, a longer term project. It was ironic months later that Zibri came to flame us out about releasing the dual-boot method, accusing us of burning the exploit. It was amusing because it was so much lower value than the ramdisk exploit, which he was responsible for burning and really had no future prospects because of pwnagetool.

We are aware that the dual-boot method was the last remaining bit of non-public knowledge from our SVN that he had, and my belief was that the flame was caused by his soreness at losing his last chance at remaining relevant after the pmd ("ramdisk") vulnerability was patched.

99 comments:

iPod Touched said...

Great post, thank you for all your insite.

iPhoneWriter said...

Great read, very insightful.

Paul said...

Nice post. It's always good to see some of this history cleared up.

You mentioned an SVN repository: is that public, or was it a private one shared by the dev team (which Zibri had access to)? As a hacker, I'm just curious what else may be out there for browsing/learning (in addition to your xpwn git repo, which includes lots of nice info!)

Thanks again,

- Paulb

paraplegicemu said...

Fuck a Zebri and a ZiPhone, what a whiny little snot he is.

Muzaffer said...

hail to the real geniuses. thank you for your efforts.

kralizec said...

thanks for the great simple and useful post!!

David Dietz said...

Insightful! Thanks for the info. daviddietz.us

sdfs said...

very insightful, thanks for the post.

Snip Snip said...

If you go to Zibri's Blog you can tell he is stumped on 2.0 infact he now "does not even like the Iphone". Ah, he is not fooling anyone.

Leo said...

Very nice post! Loved it!

dsolomon1987 said...

http://status.ziphone.org/2008/08/about-quickpwn.html
this guy is a joke.
hes basically saying that this blog [dev teams] is complete bologna.
if i had the knowledge, id hack into this guys FTP and delete all his files and replace his homepage with goatse lol.

IC3 COLD said...

you pwned zibri he's a hit a wannabe and a joke all readers bow down to the dev team the ultimate jailbreakers. Oh and a funny thing zibri says pwnage isn't hacking and I say to zibri fuck you you know nothing about hacking! iPhone

Keep it up I love pwnage and quickpwn

Laser said...

Very interesting to see the other side of the arugment, this time against Zibri. I read all his "facts" and then I read your blog and everything makes much more sense now. Everything you said was quite logical. I have to disagree with one thing though; I believe that the upgrade to 1.1.3 was semi-major. I felt (at the time at least) that a customizable Home Screen and new Root directories was a decent change. I don't know anything about Objective C or the iphone architecture though, so I dont know if much changed there.
:D
-Laser

Aetherius said...

Some stuff sound so familiar to me..
Zibri's an ass..all the way up..
He even deleted my posts on his blog regarding the safety of his method and other stuff related to the "stealing" part of the issue discussed here.I guess he's scared of the truth :))))

i'm glad that somebody spoked clearly about the Dev's, because people deserve to know [if you can imagine, there are some Zibri fans left around :)))) ]

bigmke said...

FUCK ZIPHONE AND ALL HIS CRAP!!.
YOU DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO HIM.
YOU ARE RIGHT, WE JUST WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK AND NOT MESS OUR IPHONES UP(ZIPHONE3.0)
YOU GUYS ARE DOING A HELLAVA JOB SO KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AND ONCE AGAIN.....FUCK ZIPHONE

Ankur Pande said...

Whilst I've always been a big fan of the iPhone Dev Team and do indeed frown at the tactics used by Zibri to demean them, I believe there were a few valuable lessons that were learnt.

Perhaps the biggest lesson was that an all-in tool which is simple to use and does the job EVERY time is the need of the day. There were so many lengthy processes that one had to follow in order to successfully Jailbreak/unlock the iPhone that the sheer complexity of the commands perplexed the common man to no end. I speak as one here.

We know now that a simple to use tool is the requirement today and will most certainly succeed despite the underlying unlock mechanism. Most people just don't understand (and perhaps don't care), as long as their end results are achieved.

We know today that Zibri can't offer a solution, hence, we all find it easy to laugh at him. However, if Zibri had been able to offer a 2.x unlock somewhat similar to the iPhone Dev Team, I'm farily certain that his popularity would still be fairly intact.

That said, I find myself indebted to the iDT for their continued perseverance to find the golden pot at the end of the rainbow. Its because of you folks that people like us feel that freedom is a right, and not a gift.

Thank you once again.

lawlis said...

Funny to read all this crap from dev team fans. I like to pay respect when its due but yeah dev team you did a great job getting us to use our iphone on out preferred network but i like to speak the truth and that is my iphone never was stable on any of your hacks. I'm an IT guy and understand alot about how these things work but i know i can't write them. Ziphone on my iphone never crash ones on me, everything worked perfect from one break and i'm not saying this because i'm a fan of ziphone, i like to use my iphone the way i want and don't care who writes the hack as long as it works for me. Right now i'm using the dev team hack and i get about 15 crashes a day because i'm a heavy user of my phone. I'm still using the dev hack because i like my phone being updated and honestly they are not anything serious that need restore so i'm hanging in there till a new and better hack is released. Until then i think Ziphone is the best hack i have used and that my opinion. Thank you for your work though. Peace out

GenghisPhlip said...

@lawlis: Zibri's hack is flawed. You would know that if your phone ever needed service and you had to return it to an otb state. Consider the fact that the iPhone itself is flawed and prone to crashing without the dev team's hack and you did use their software knowing that there were risks involved. Don't hate, come up with your own solution then share it with us all.

Zibri said...

100% original code ??

LOL !

without "bl39.bin" and "bl46.bin" your "bootneuter" could NEVER work.

And as far as I know those bootloaders were written by INFINEON and SOLD to APPLE.

Now, please.. STFU.

GenghisPhlip said...

You know, If you are the real Zibri you will know that I have been very nice and supportive of Ziphone in the past. I quickly tired of answering user problems with the hack and now advise against using Ziphone. Answer an email every once in a while instead of making crap comments on blogs defending yourself. I really doubt that you are legit but if you are then my advice to you would be to grow a bit. Stop answering to blog comments and answer email. I have asked you very clearly in the past to explain why users by the droves are reporting that Ziphone is impossible to erase and I have to date received no response from you.

Your ball.

IC3 COLD said...

Wow zibri ... You really impress us.. not! you git I'm making a better tool than your shitphone your such a wannabe and you say that pwnage isn't hacking so ripping secure kernels and patching it isn't hacking? And then copying the main build build of a firmware ripping out developers lock then building a custom firmware that can run non apple signed and then actually putting it on the phone isn't hacking right? Wrong! Ziphone opened up a file system dumped a key and put installer? All you did was build an automated ssh tool

Dumb fuck...

You I mean you made my iPod so unstable it permanantly powered off

So how about you stfu and respect your better you whiny bitch

Go iPhone developers team you rock!

planetbeing said...

@Zibri: Those files are merely originals that we need to patch in the baseband. They are a necessary prerequisite for the unlocked version of the firmware to be flashed. As I have demonstrated, the Apple files you bundle with your ramdisk are unnecessary. Doubly so when PwnageTool's iPwner ramdisk was built with a similar structure that you could have learned from. I don't know why you didn't do it that way.

The 3.9 bootloader can be found in the 1.0.2 IPSW. The 4.6 bootloader can be dumped, albeit with more difficulty. I do think it's overly unreasonable to ask each and every user to 1) dump the bootloader and 2) download the 1.0.2 IPSW just for a 128 KB file in it.

The point is, we do the best we can with the knowledge we have. Whereas better methods were available to you, and you didn't use them. I don't know whether it's out of laziness or whether it's out of pride. In either case, you should reconsider your position.

Thanks,

planetbeing.

planetbeing said...

@Zibri: Oh, I forgot: It's still 100% original code, because with regards to BootNeuter, the bootloaders are considered DATA. Obviously, they're never executed, just modified and written to flash. =P

MuscleNerd said...

BootNeuter would work fine without those data files, but then the user wouldn't be able to choose 3.9 vs 4.6. We decided to let them choose, rather than to force a downgrade like one particularly bad tool did (guess which one).

IC3 COLD said...

Wow zibri just got disd+ proven wrong(nothing new there I esp like muscle nerds comment LOL) now I'm mainly a windows user now I'm building a newage tool for pwning if built the GUI (that stuff with pwnage pix is not it my fellow ice cold dev Srts made it but basically I'm making it c++ based with xpwn in the background now I'm kinds stuck ... And if this is a stupid question I'm sorry but I need pro help so if a idt member will help I will be greatful and give 86% credit but basically I need help making it the way I thought it out (grrr...) I'm making a faster more noob friendly version but my best hacker is having the worst time trying to modify xpwn so that it's action chained (like I'm trying to fuse ipwner) utilities with ipsw building utillities and my plan for a restore is very ummm.. Strange basically I use ibooter to restore so that it loads custom .ipsw
My whole things a mess please give some guidance!

my method is this click autopwn after entering dfu it will do the pwning process while another system (ipsw builder) simaltaniously and automatedly builds ipsw appropriate for the device then when it's done auto launch ibooter and do that for a restore but I can't make it continuous (grrr..!!) pls help (yes I'm windows ...) also do I have permission to use bootneuter? Since I need your help .. Now I know how stressful your guys job is. Uggggg thnx

Icecold dev

Ipodtouchoverlord(yes I'm on your blog ...)

Erwin said...

I am only a user of your tools and I don´t know anything about "hacks".

Ziphone 2.6b works fine. It is very easy to use. All functions of my iPhone I need are okay.

But I have a lot of problems with quickpwn, winpwn.

Now guess which tool I prefer.

Your private war is not of interest for me an probably the most.

...make peace no war...I love all of you hackers...

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erjon said...

I want to ask a question. Has anyone member of Dev Team consider the fact to hack the bluetooth, sow it can connect to other devices rather than headphones? Best regards from Albania.

planetbeing said...

@paul: Sorry, but that repository has always been private and will remain so due to the personally identifiable information we had in it. It's all dated and most irrelevant now anyway.

@ankur: Yes, you're right. To this day, I cannot really understand what the big deal about ZiPhone was, how just this tiny extra bit of ease-of-use led to a cult of personality. However, evidently people find it valuable and we'll try to make QuickPwn as simple as possible.

@lawlis: You really cannot compare ease-of-use across firmware revisions. Have you ever used jailbreakme.com by the iPhone Dev Team? =P Unfortunately, vulnerabilities close and things grow more complex. For example, the installation of Cydia is twenty times more complex than the installation of Installer. The other major issue is that Apple's 2.0.x software itself is not very stable, and for some reason, we get the blame for it. =P

@erwin: I think you have the wrong impression. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I firmly believe a user should use whatever tool that they find the best. I don't get a dime from my work, nor do I get my name emblazoned prominently on everyone's computers or iPhones (you probably never even heard of me until today). All I get as reward is mountains of complaints and bug reports. It's nice that you give me PR advice, but all I was doing in this post was venting. I'm not trying to win over the hearts and minds of the people. :)

And don't get me started on the kumbaya angle, haha. Believe me, I know where you're coming from, I would've said the same thing in your shoes, but our productivity increased after Zibri left, not decreased. =P I'd be all for trying to work with him again if I thought it would help at all.

The one thing I do care about is helping you and others like you. That's our relationship. You're not my client, and I'm not a merchant. I'm just someone trying to help. If I thought ZiPhone would be the best thing for you, I'd recommend it without hesitation.

QuickPwn IS beta software and I am very eager for any feedback or bug reports you have. It's important that you give us complete details about problems with our betas because... that's the point of releasing betas! We want feedback, and we want it to work right for you.

Thanks!

Consti09 said...

It´s ridicolous everybody knows that the dev-tema are the better coders. But Zibri has understood what customers want. The want a tool that jailbreaks, unlocks or activates their device as fast as possible. Which code the tool knows, neither interests the customer nor is understood by him.

Finally the Dev-Team has understood this, too. QuickPnw is a great tool. I cannot immagine s.th greater.
Who needs ZiPhone now ???
It´s the same as Installer.app. The had a monopol like standing in the iphone packagers world. But the have sleeped and now Cydia is the Number 1. And no one needs th Installer anymore.

Absolutely great work Dev-Team. I´m glad to have you. You do everything for free and don´t even take donations. Zibri says in ever second post that he needs money, we should donate, because Zibri dies otherwise.

Consti09 said...

s.th. to laugh at:

Some more drama :)
Since dev team is never tired of saying bullshit,
let me tell you this:
They say:
"QuickPwn contains all-original code and features a very tiny bootstrapper that allows it to use libraries and code that's already on the iPhone."

Sure..
Now just know this:
without "bl39.bin" and "bl46.bin" their BOOTNEUTER would NEVER work.
Those "bin" files are 100% copyrighted code of INFINEON and APPLE.
They are the 3.9 and 4.6 bootloaders of the baseband in their original form.

I hate liars.
And you can check for yourself what I just wrote it's the truth.
Without those files no unlock would be possible with bootneuter.

How could you still believe their words ?

Namaste,
Zibri

GaZz said...

I enjoy reading these 'war' posts. It is obvious from the tone of Zibri's posts that he holds some negative feeling towards you guys, whereas your (devteam) posts are generally objective, kept to fact and that says a lot.

I did use ZiPhone to jailbreak my girlfriends 1.1.4 first gen iPhone, i did this because the tool was recommended to me as 'simple to use' (which it was).... that and we were unaware of the existence of the iPhone Dev Team.

Since getting my own iPhone 3g, i have done further digging and found the dev team and the pwnage tool. I've used both pwnagetool and winpwn.

I'll categorically say that winpwn has always always caused problems with my iPhone, so much so that I went to the trouble of building a hackintosh just to run pwnagetool, which is always flawless.

I have a lot of respect for you guys, your whole operation is very understated and you’re clearly in this for the love of doing it – the challenge too I guess, whereas Zibri may have spotted a money making opportunity (which has been realised through PayPal donate and ads on his site) and bailed on you guys early – to his detriment it seems.

I’ve not used quickpwn as yet, but next time there’s a firmware update I’ll give it a run out.

Thanks to the whole team for your efforts, dedication and composure in the face of the seemingly desperate Zibri.

g

idarbert said...

"Now just know this:
without "bl39.bin" and "bl46.bin" their BOOTNEUTER would NEVER work."

Too bad QuickPwn doesn't unlock the phone, it just jailbreaks it.

Always nice to see Zibri working hard to provide real information to the masses :D

Dale said...

Zibri, is that really you? Instead of telling people to STFU, why don't you try and make this a little more mature by bringing some evidence or even a counter-argument to the table so that we can have a real debate instead of childish bickering?
In this article by planetbeing, he described how your software works. Instead of defending your software and trying to clear your name, you just seem to poke holes in what they say, and then with other articles, talk about your emotions and (sometimes) throw a bit of philosophy in.

I, a humble bystander haven't *really* seen any real technicalities come from you concerning the abilities of your software, all we've seen is your word, which masses seem to take you by.

Now, I don't know you Zibri, so as with all strangers, Let's start off on a ZERO PERCENT trust basis, therefore when you say Namaste and such, and your friendly tone (with your supporters at least) means NOTHING. We are looking for statements backed up by FACTS and not OPINIONS.

Dev-Team say your software is dangerous. And they have brought an immense amount of weight with their argument.

You say it's not dangerous, BUT you haven't brought ANYTHING technical forward for us to make sense of... SO:

Answer the question. YES or NO:

Do you know of the risks that ZiPhone has brought, and do you agree with what they say about the methodology of your software?

OR AT LEAST

Tell us in your own words(WITHOUT your nasty opinion of the dev-team please) HOW ZiPhone works, and tell us why it isn't dangerous.

Mr.C.Tippins said...

In a way I kinda feel sorry for Zibri. It is so clear to everyone now that he is a wanker and yet he still seems to think he can recover by making immature posts and comments. You would think that if he were for real and as good as he claims he would come out with something that actually worked well and blow away all the work the dev team has done. To date I have not seen any original quality work come from him. I mean, come on, the idiot puts a retarded gay ass hell picture of Zorro on your damn phone when the jailbreak occurs?

Sorry Zibri, your time is ended. Go away now little boy...

Andrew Tan said...

I believe this war is more than few months...

When it gonna stop? Ha Ha I believe it wont? Please stop it...no point keep arguing.

I do read all threat at Zibri and post comment before as well.

But after a long times, I believe god will know who is liar.

I am a supporter of Zibri before because Ziphone was the 1st tools help me jailbreak my ipod touch 1.14 that time.

But recently I only seen he keep posting nonsense here and there, if he really that great? Why not out (or at least post a video at youtube) he can easy break it...be the 1st break the 3G signal. Not always out whatever people already done things.

For those keep saying Dev product difficult to use, please stop blaming, try it before you said it.

Quickpwn is the easy jailbreak utilities ever create. even the WnPwn also easy as piece of cake.

Always support "Dev Theme"

IC3 COLD said...

for all dev team haterz/zibri ass kissers you need to learn facts and fiction

Fact:pwnagetool is stable because your not modifying core software ,and also gives you installer via a firmware file based on apple stock which is mostly stable

Fiction/fairytale: zibri's software is safe.. It's not Safe dumping an essential apple boot key is very unstable and after about two weeks requires restore!


Fact: pwnage is 100% original and was not ziphone based in the fucking least

Fairytail: ziphone was made by zibri...ziphone was originally created by dev team but was quickly aborted after zibri put his filthy little paws all over it and seeing it was unstable and also on zibris blog zibri talks about a key dump in pwnage and how they ripped him off when now pwnage a)pwns iTunes b) in the first version with the key dump it was their exploit!


So once again zibri and retarded slaves(ziphine users) you need to stop hating the masters!

Bocom said...

"Now just know this:
without "bl39.bin" and "bl46.bin" their BOOTNEUTER would NEVER work.
Those "bin" files are 100% copyrighted code of INFINEON and APPLE.
They are the 3.9 and 4.6 bootloaders of the baseband in their original form."

Hahaha, you fscking tool!

As planetbeing said, those are DATA files. QuickPwn ITSELF contains only 100% original code.

Fraca90 said...

asd.. great soap opera.. but ot useful.. ^^

however, great post..

theconfuzed1@mac.com said...

Hello.

I want to start by saying that I am not a hacker, and I don't claim to understand what happens when a jailbreak occurs.

However, this post has made me understand the concept, even if I may never understand the method.

You guys rock. I've been saying all along that I would never jailbreak my phone, but last week, I changed my mind.

I can't even say for sure what did it for me, but if I had to name one thing, it would be the instability of Apple's software! I use Last.fm to "scrobble" tracks played, but the iPhone loses more track plays than it records! Most of my music wouldn't scrobble from the iPhone, and this one thing, upon the release of Scrobble, for jailbroken phones, was the final straw for me.

I am the creator and owner of the Last.fm iPhone group, and I have given you guys all the credit that I possibly can. I've been posting links to your method, and I've been reading your blog.

I can't wait personally, for Apple's promised September update, which is said to kill the crash bugs, and bring us push notification. However, as much as I long for that, I think that I will probably wait to install it, until after you have cracked it. :)

Thank you for helping make possible for me, something that I could never do on my own.

Please continue to do what you do, and I will continue to use your tools. :)

installer_afficionado said...

I f*****g hate Zibri, I believe the Dev Team the whole way. He is simply clutching at straws to try and deflect people from the Dev Team's software to his own. Is little post on QuickPwn being "conceptually good" and ZiPhone being "The Best by Far" is complete BULLSHIT. Just because the Dev Team ARE NOT hacking hacked files to jailbreak a device doesn't make what they do bad or liars. The Dev Team are leveraging Apple's "holes" left in the Firmware/OS to get it to run. Overall, I'm with the Dev Team all the way. Stuff Zibri, he deserves to go to a hell where Microsoft rule all.

Peace!

installer_afficionado said...

Just to polish off my last post:

ZiPhone stuffed my iPod. It never worked for me. The Dev team provided my first Jailbreak.


Peace

lkoklkok said...

fuck quickpwn... it uses the bin files from apple and infineon just to jailbreak your itouch... fuck this crap dev team..... if u want to believe this fucking crap... fine here is the link to see for your self... http://status.ziphone.org/2008/08/some-more-drama.html check that our...


middle finger mlm up.... screw you dev team asshole bitch.....

Ricky said...

Why dont you "Devteam and Ziphone" join together and hack this F'n iPhone 3G to work intenatinally intead of banging ach others head?
Please a lot lot of people is waiting......dont stop helping...
Thanks a lot for your help....

lmaster2k said...

i think lkoklkok is that zbri guy thanks for the info. Keeps us informed and keep up the great work. Dev Team 4 like

José Pandorra said...

As many others here I am no expert on all this iPhone hacking. Before I ordered my iPhone I read up on the possibilities to unlock it. I found ZiPhone and thought it looked rather simple and easy to use. But then I discovered the Pwnage Tool and was even more impressed.

As I said I am not an expert but the way this tool worked just made sense to me. It looked like a much better alternative, way more sophisticated and much safer than ZiPhone. Pwning my iPhone for the first time was no easy task and I needed a couple of hours to make it work, but updating to the next firmware versions after that was just a breeze.

From reading comments all over the web one thing is clear to me: most of the people who use ZiPhone are not very smart or simply don't want to invest any time and brains into their expensive phone. You mostly see comments like "Pwnage is too complicated" or "Pwnage doesn't work at all". However, my favorites are people who complain about the Pwnage tool making their iPhones slow and buggy after updating to 2.0. This just shows how uninformed a lot of people are. Of course this is the Dev Team's fault and not Apple's! I even read one guy blaming the Pwnage tool for his MobileMe account not pushing his email correctly. How dumb is that?

Anyway, I understand that the Dev Team needs to vent from time to time and I thoroughly enjoy this little "war". I can't wait to see how Zibri is going to make himself look stupid again, celebrating himself and his God-like program that is "the real deal".

I also want to thank you for investing your time to bring us such a great tool. It is highly appreciated.

Ankur Pande said...

@planetbeing - I got the iPhone fairly early, and so, have seen the evolution of the hacks. Being a developer myself, I found the command prompt guides understandable. However, they were still complicated enough for me to screw up once or twice before succeeding.

Point being, if I found these guides/etc complicated (and I'm no yardstick, mind you), most non-developers/comman people were most certainly tearing their hair out.

I believe Zibri was perhaps quick to see this huge gap and seized the opportunity with his crack/hack. To most (perhaps 95% of the people) what goes on behind the fancy GUI doesn't matter, as long as the end result is achieved.

Had the iDT stepped in with an easy-to-use GUI which made everybody's jailbreak/unlock a breeze, the story would have unfolded a whole lot different today.

Anyway, this was my 2 pence's worth.

Q - This always plagued me. What's with the "Namaste" salutations from Zibri? I ask you since you seem to have worked with him. From what little I know, he's not Indian.

@Zibri - Dude... ok, so the baseband bins are Apple/Infinion code & the bootneuter won't work without them. Please tell me that you don't really think that's the real crack/hack? You've just managed to wash off all of the little respect I had to credit you for getting to the pulse of the common public first with Ziphone. Its all didly-squat now dawg.

MuscleNerd said...

@lkoklkok

Heh wow could you be any more demonstrably incorrect?

QuickPwn doesn't ever ask for bl39.bin or bl46.bin files. Ever. For everyone. Even you, Zibri.

Oops, i mean lkoklkok.

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@ricky

Trust us, we know from personal experience. Zibri has nothing to add but drama. meaningless blog posts, and advertisements.

That being said, the unlock is still something we're pursuing, even though none of us in the U.S. can use it. But it's a fun pursuit, with lots of challenges.

s said...

nice post
I am just wondering i've had my iPhone otb 1.1.4 working using the democracy 3 and never had a problem.
any comparison on democracy 3 vs Quickpwn and Ziphone?
Any comments on democracy 3?

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finally a "Clean" version of the story and why ziphone is bad.
Thanks.

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On one hand, no one on Earth with a bigger brain to a nut ever thought Zibri invented anything.

On other hand, you are not obligated to speak like Putin does, as the rest of the world *MAY* dislike that.

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Still no rational response from Zibri or his supporters...
Remember all the screenshots of him jailbreaking 2.0 betas? Where is the software that did this?

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I don't know anything about hacking, but it seems that DevTeam is doing a great job.
Buy I have to say, I jailbreak and unlock my iPhone several months ago using Ziphone and have not had any problem so far, then upgraded to 1.1.4 and everything is great.
I have not been able to upgrade to 2.0 because I don't understand how to use the Pwnage tools.
It seems so dificult and unsafe as if you need to be a hacker to use it.
The tutorials I have found on internet are pretty shitty and I don't feel like messing with my iPhone using something I don't understand.
When you have an interfase as easy to use as Ziphone so non-technical iPhone users can upgrade their iPhones, then Zibri's name will be erased from the face of the earth.
Any sugestions on where to find help to upgrade my iPhone to 2.0.2 using Windows?

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i ziphoned my iphone! it looses service all the time. first i unlocked 1.14 with ziphone3 afterwards when 2.0 came out i pwned it to my iphone....since then its all crap! i tried everything (restoring to several firmwares, flashing basebands and bootloaders, even taping the inner of the iphone) but nothing helped. i can remember when i was unlocking the 1.14 firmware i had a loop wihich said something like "minor...." i can't really remeber. then i restored it again and unlock worked.

but after everithing i read about ziphone messing up the seczone and all that stuff i'm sure my iphone is a brick (or a ipod touch) because of ziphone 3.0
damn...i think there is no help for my iphone...or maybe there is..?

Jay said...

Interesting. If the energy of all was concentrated on working on the same goal instead...Zibri could probably contribute something useful. I find it sad to seek unique status and personal glory vs group achievement and be proud of it. Ego... grows so big. Oh well. Thanks for the reading planetbeing, was insightful. Keep up the good work.

Shibu said...

Why is anybody still talking about
Zibri? iPhone firmware 1.1.4 is obsolte, therefore he is obsolete. If he ever comes out with an unlock for 2.x we can start talking about him again.

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ANY NEWS ABOUT LINUX ON IPHONE?

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well the waters are divided.

but I used Zi* to unluck my gf's iPhone 1.1.4 and it helped "restore" quite a few broken iPhones my friends had that was bricked due to "lack of sufficient" instructions for "non-technical people" using other tools.

So Zi* worked like a charm for me. I dont really care who wrote the code or who stole from who.

As I use a screwdriver for screws and hammers for nails - I used Zi* for unlock of 1.1.4. - and the phone still works quite well, despite a few apple bugs in 1.1.4 (running on 8 months plus now)

So it is like the age old OS/2 vs Windows debate. OS/2 was the perfect operating system - Windows looked nice and got the job done. MS and IBM worked together on OS/2 - but Microsoft "changed" horses and made Windows. An instant consumer succes. OS/2 ruled the banking world but not many other worlds. So guys - Zi* knows about usability - you guys know about tech stuff - so why not work together? Put old bad feelings behind you and move forward.

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kasper, you do know about quickpwn, right?

quickpwn is for people who just want it done, without any technical understanding.

Full pwnage is for people who don't mind (or who enjoy) the technical stuff.

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